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Your Thoughts on Woodstoves

I have a friend who’s in the process of trying to buy a woodstove, and like many of us in this down economy, money’s an issue. The new stoves that sit gleaming on the showroom floors are beautiful. But three grand for a woodstove is out of the question.

She’s asked me for advice on what used stove to buy, and like most men, I have plenty of opinions to offer on the subject.

For instance, I think that it’s perfectly acceptable to buy an old, dependable, dirty stove (dirty meaning it was made before states began mandating that new woodstoves include emissions control) if money’s an issue. But as nice as some of them are, if you have any environmental conscience, such a stove should probably just get you through a winter or two and shouldn’t be a permanent solution to your home heating needs any more than a gas-guzzling 1973 Chevy Caprice station wagon should be the car you commute to work in every day.

Of all the old pre-EPA stoves I’ve known in my life, the Fisher that we have up in deer camp is by far my favorite. It takes enormous wood, which is really nice. And it has these great front dampers that just bombard the fire with oxygen. It goes from 0-60 in no time at all, which I guess makes it more of a Corvette than a Caprice. And once the fire’s where you need it, you can damp it down to nothing in no time – it’s like a thermostat. Man, I love that stove.

As far as the new EPA-approved stoves go, I don’t like the catalytic ones. (For those of you who don’t know, catalytic stoves were the first generation of clean-burning stoves to hit the market; they feature a catalytic converter that has to be engaged when the stove gets up to a certain temperature. The converters have to be replaced on a somewhat regular basis, which is an expensive hassle).

The catalytic stove I have in my life – a Vermont Castings Defiant that sits in the Northern Woodlands office – just doesn’t burn that well with the converter engaged. And I never know whether the converter should be bypassed at night when you damp the fire down and drop the stove temperature, which if you do, sort of defeats the point of having it, and if you don’t, means you’re running it too cool, a supposed no-no.

Far better, I think, to go with the more modern stoves that send the smoke along an internal hot corridor where any unburned components are ignited and consumed. The one I have in my home is a Vermont Castings Aspen, which is a fine stove except that it’s hard to get started and it’s too small. My house is only 600 square feet, so when it’s going it throws sufficient heat. It’s just that it’s a real pain to cut 12- and 14-inch wood, and to empty an ash pan every morning, and to have to play Tetris to fit your wood into the firebox, and to use a lot of kindling in the fall and spring because you don’t have a sufficient coal bed. I think that wood size is one of the key things new stove owners overlook, especially those who plan to cut their own wood. Go big. Your back will thank you.

But all of this is one man’s opinion. I’m positive that our readers have their own experiences and can improve the quality of information here. So what’s your take? What do you think of your stove? What are your thoughts on wood stoves in general? What advice can you give someone looking to buy a used woodstove?

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Jan 30, 2019

VC 2040 ...when the cast damper is closed should there be any flame going up?  As I understand the operation all the exhaust should exit through the cat.  My stove continues to have flames going up. How does your stove operate?

walter leopold
Oct 14, 2018

I now own a VC Encore. I agree with the person from Ohio when they say if they fill up the stove it is too hot for the combustion. This means I have to get up in the middle of the night to reload.

james
Feb 13, 2016

We have heated with a Timberline since the middle 1970’s.  Timberline is like a Fisher, but with a baffle plate.  Our Timberline is the largest model (560 pounds).  We heat a Lindal chalet (high ceilings).  We did a major roof insulation project 5 years ago, and we have a heat pump for back up.

Advantages of the old Timberline:
Any size wood will fit into the double doors.
It will heat the house no matter what the temperature or wind.

Creates very little creosote because we burn it with the vents wide open as much as possible.
The 5 gallon water pot on top of the stove acts as a humidifier.

I looked at the new high efficient stoves:  they are not built very heavy duty compared to the old Timberline.

The Maestro
Dec 02, 2014

Last winter, 2013, we purchased a new VC Encore 2 in 1. We can’t get the cat working properly for anything.  We have a 2012 2,700 square ft home and it will heat our entire home, but that comes with waking twice a night to reload.  If the cat is working we cannot completely fill for it will over heat 900 degrees + sometimes, and the back puffing is enormous excretion from all corners of the stove. Should the air intake lever on the side be able to cut the air completely?  There is barely a difference in flame when the lever is open vs closed.

Ohio
Nov 18, 2014

Recently purchased a 3500 usd stove from vermont castings, Defiant combination. It’s hooked up correctly, @150 usd for this service. It has the right chimney and it’s clean. The stove is a terrible performer. It smokes in the open mode, puffs in the damped down mode and it spills ashes on the deck when cleaning out the poorly designed ash bin. Not sure if the cat converter is an asset or a liability. Given the 4000 dollar investment thus stove is a rip off. I owned 3 vermont stoves prior, and the all performed as advertised, this new defiant is a total rip off.

P. M. Elliott
Sep 25, 2014

I just found a really well taken care of Vermont Castings Defiant Encore #0028
I got it for $500.00 and this thing is in great condition.
It needs a little tlc but we are so excited at getting this into our home.We are going to try to heat 1000 sq. ft with it. Our home is well insulated. I can get cut, split and delivered wood for $250.00 a full cord….next year will cut our own. We get to 40 below zero at times here.. hoping we can use this stove to keep us warm.. if not, we have a Toyo 56.. new.. but at nearly 4.00 a gallon for fuel.. would rather use wood.

AlaskaLive
Jan 06, 2014

We have a 1973 Vermont Casting Defiant which I bought used about ten years ago. Had to replace one of the backing plates and reseal the stove. It heats up my 1500 square foot home with no problem and since the house has electric heat we save a bundle of money. This old Defiant can take up to a 22 inch log which is great. So I would never hesitate to buy a used one if is in good shape. I also heat my camp in Vermont with a 1985 Dutchwest Federal Style Small stove. Finally had to retire it because the shaker grate fell apart. I decided to replace it with a small Dutchwest steel plate stove. This was mainly do to the fact that people want unreasonable amounts for used stoves today. So I hope that my experiment with new stove technology works out for us in the future.

Dave
Nov 16, 2013

Just a tip I figured out for assembling snap-together chimney sections that get bent out of round (ovaled). I united a couple of hose clamps (long ones) and ratcheted the oval end until it was squeezed round enough to fit into the next section. Amazing what one can think of when they’re a one man band.

Cave-In
Oct 18, 2013

To the Stewarts: the Vigilant 1977 is a fine stove, and yes, assuming it’s in good operating condition, it’s perfectly safe to install and use. The EPA approval relates to emissions—that stove won’t burn as cleanly as a newer stove. But as long as you burn good, dry hardwood, you’ll be fine on that front, too. My girlfriend has a Vigilant for her primary heat and she loves it.

dave
Oct 16, 2013

We just purchased a used vc vigilant 1977 stove with glass doors, someone informed us its not epa approved! We were so excited to install it, is it going to be unsafe? Thanks.

The Stewarts

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